Any conversation with Ohio State defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is a good time, and Dillon Davis and Tim got their questions in along with others after a Buckeyes practice this week.

The D is gonna be different, replacing seven starters from last year, and Patricia seems to embrace the challenge of molding.

Plus, while Dillon and Tim name their preseason national top five and their Heisman favorite, they play a conversation with OSU center Carson Hinzman.

His take on QB Julian Sayin is worth the listen.